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Thread: Bell housing. S and R motors.

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    Icon5 Bell housing. S and R motors.

    I've heard rumor that the R (18/20/22r) bell housing has 3 out of 4 bolt holes line up with the S (2/3/5sfe) blocks? Is this true?
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    hey Quinn, it's the R series transmissions, not R engines. So the R150/151 from the 3vze trucks.

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    ive seen people bolting 22r trannys to 3sgtes in the past in 3s rwd converions, 3vz as well
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    I have all the afformentioned parts and can test fit if there's enough interest, like 22r bellhousing to 3sgte block

    You sure it was a 22r bh and not the 2s bh that mates the S engine to W box?

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    I've been reading about this as well...because i have a nice celica with a 22r, but i'd love to swap in a 1st gen NA 3sge. apparently the north american toyota fork lifts have a bellhousing that mates a w trans to a 3s ....I think it's the 4Y bell housing?
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    Same as in the toaster vans, they use the Y engine and W trans. I have one of those bellhousings but I can't remember where it orients the starter. Could check it out tomorrow

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    oh reeeeeally, Quinn you get dibs
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    I don't need dibs, I just need solid information. lol This mystery remains to be poorly documented.

    So R154 would have 3 out of 4? This seems strange to me, as it doesn't mention which motor the R series trans fits. We're talking bell housings, so it's important to know.

    Y series Engine to W series block. This bell housing will fit 3 out of 4 to a S series engine?
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    I don't know about the 154, but my spare 3sgte had a bellhousing from an R150 bolted to it that originally came off a 3vz, but the guy kept the bh.
    The Y info is pretty vague anywhere you look. I'm busy today but tomorrow I can physically stick the 4Y bellhousing onto the 3sgte block and tell you how it lines up.

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    Yeah sorry Quinn kinda got highjacked. I have heard that the 22re bell matches 3 of the 4 holes in the 3s, but that’s just from random online chatter. I’d love to know if that is true, because the 22r housing has the starter on the same side as the 3s but I think* the 4y has the starter on the exhaust side. But even with the 3 holes lined up you’d still need the lower brackets made up or find some that fit.
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    apparently this is a 2s bellhousing (which has the starter on the opposite side as the 3s)

    i've also read that the ta63 and sa63 bellhousings are exactly the same as is the 1G motors with a w58 behind them.

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    http://www.toymods.org.au/forums/thr...lange-CAD-file


    I've also found on the http://forums.toyspeed.org.nz/viewto...wd+bellhousing forum that all these bellhousing patterns match the 3S motors:
    1C 2C 3C
    1S 2S 3S 4S 5S
    1VZ 2VZ 3VZ 4VZ 5VZ
    1MZ 2MZ 3MZ
    1GR 2GR 3GR 4GR

    the 2y 3y and 4y apparently nearly fit but one bolt hole needs to be slotted. but the 3y has the starter on the intake side.

    but to the original question....i can't find anything yet on the 22re bell dimensions.
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    NEEEAT. It'd be so cool to find that it's a 3/4 between the R engine bellhousing and the S engine bellhousing. If that's the case, it opens up cool options.
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    Ok...here are my conclusive findings with the 4Y, 2S and 22R bellhousings. Keep in mind this is physically fitting the actual housings onto an ST185 block, not guessing by eyeballs or some other forum.
    Also thanks jp86 for the pic,I've seen that one floating around but the super annoying part is there's no datum from which to determine hole spacing easily.

    Anyway...

    -4y bh fits, but top left bolt hole is about 5mm lower than the threaded hole in the block. This one puts the starter about halfway down the block on the intake side

    -2S bh fits like a glove, starter located about 2/3s up the block on exhaust side.

    -22R bh, no. Only the top righthand bolt hole lines up. None of the others are even close; as in, looking into the bh bolt holes, there's no sign of the threaded hole in the block.

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    wow thanks that's awesome info! Finally some real info. So the 4y is the one to use because the 2s one with the starter on the exhaust side is annoying because the clutch slave and release fork are also on the exhaust side which would really interfere with the exhaust routing.
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    No problem, I've been wondering the same about fitment until now.
    Either the 4y or use a heat shield with the 2S bellhousing. Chances are you'll have a lot easier time finding a 4Y one since the 2S ones have to come from far far away.

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    1S RWD T50 Bellhousing from an SA60/ST140 Celica/Carina/Corona (Starter is near the top on the exhaust side - likely very similar to the 2S you tried) -- if you wanted to use a T50 for some reason...
    3S/1C/2C RWD G-Series Bellhousing from various vans...
    1S/2S/3S/4S RWD W5# Bellhousing from many things (SX60/SX70/SX80/SX90/SXS1x) -- Note this bellhousing was also used on some 1C/2C Diesels including the CE7x Corolla, CM2x/CR2x Townace and Masterace, and the CA67 Carina.

    The third is what I suspect the 2S bellhousing you were working with was, but it was actually used in a lot of cars in Japan, Europe and overseas. Just not here. The SXS13 was the last vehicle to use it, with the 3S-FE and it was used until 2007. Part number is 31111-22120, I wouldn't be surprised if you can order it online somewhere.

    EDIT: Since I'm here...

    12101-74140 - 3S RWD Steel Oil Pan
    11429-74020 - 3S RWD Oil Pan Baffle for Above Pan
    15104-74131 - 3S RWD Oil Pickup for Above Pan
    33118-14033 - 3S RWD Block to Bellhousing Brace, RH
    33119-14050 - 3S RWD Block to Bellhousing Brace, LH
    11355-63010 - 3S RWD Upper Rear End Plate to match discussed bellhousing/starter
    11356-63010 - 3S RWD Lower Rear End Plate to match discussed bellhousing/starter to cover lower portion of flywheel/clutch
    13405-74090 - 3S RWD 8-bolt Flywheel for W series transmissions (225mm Clutch Disc)

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    soooo how much is a cam and header for a 22re? haha
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    Thanks for the goldmine Jeff, and yes this 2S bellhousing is from Australia I'm pretty sure.
    That parts list is all available from Toyota, off the shelf?



    Jp86, I ran a comp 268 in my RE and you'll need to clearance the valve cover breather cover because the rockers touch if the valve cover nuts are anything more than finger tight. As for a header, I didn't really notice any difference going from the factory 4-2-1 into a 2.5 exhaust to a Thorley tri-Y header, so use that $$$ elsewhere because the factory exhaust is pretty good.

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    yeah i had heard that about the header, but my exhaust has been remade at some exhaust shop and it's pretty small and crush bent grossness. it sounds like a crown vic wheezing when you mash it.
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    Just hack it off at the 2 into 1 section and run 2.5 to the back, through whatever muffler you want. Unless yours is the gross 4 into 1 manifold, in which it shouldn't be.

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