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    AE86 Wheel/Rim options

    Dunno I'll add something super basic:
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    Zenki = early model 1984-1985 in US/Canadian terms, 1983-1985 in JDM terms
    Kouki = late model 1986-1987 in US/Canadian terms, late 1985-1987 in JDM terms

    and there's this:

    Chuuki = middle model, only Levin has this one. Don't know the exact year something is different about their front bumper and grille.

    the difference between zenki and kouki can be pages long....think of it as they look the same....but different.

    Pizza cutters = zenki OE wheels, looks like a pizza cutter with 4 blades. 14X5.5 4X114.3 +27. Available both in Gold and Silver in 1985. Gold only came with red cars.
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    Snow flakes = kouki OE wheels, multispoke, looks like a snowflake, and thus the term. These were also available on Toyota Cressida's and Toyota Van's. 14X5.5 4X114.3 +27.

    Van rims = Toyota Le Van OE wheels, it's like a disc... 14X5.5 +27

    Steelies = the rather special looking steelies found on 86s. These were the factory default rims if the buyer decided not to go with the optional alloys mentione above. Either has this zebra pattern or it's all black. Also found on Celica GTs.

    Z rims = 280ZX non turbo wheels, 6 spokes 14X6 4X114.3 +12

    Swastikas = 280ZX turbo wheels, 15X6 4X114.3 +10. Has 4 spokes and some patterns making them look somewhat like Nazi's swastika sign.

    "Iron Cross Z rim" = 4 spoke 280zx rims that look remarkably similar to Supra wheels but has 4 tiny little spokes where you'd expect to see the brake discs.

    Supras = Most common Supra wheels for the MKII Supras (and optional on some Celica GT-S' of the same time period). 4X2 spokes. 14X7 4X114.3 +8. Many people have problem with them scraping when the car is lowered.

    Big Supras = Supra wheels rumored to be found in States. 15X6 4X114.3 +21. Looks exactly the same as baby Supras but are 15" in diameter. These are like the "special super rare drift rims" IMO... Toyota OE quality but plus one. That's like different...but not really, which makes it very cool.


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    that wheel info is one of the first useful bits of info i've seen from pat in a while... that's great... i already knew most of that, but i didn't know "big supras" existed...
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    The "Z rims = 280ZX non turbo wheels, 6 spokes 14X6 4X114.3" actually have an offset of +10. Not that 2mm makes much of a difference.

    This is great information. So much so that I would suggest starting a Wheels and Tires thread. The following info might be useful to add as well:

    6 spokes are very light but not hubcentric. Datsun wheels have a larger centre hole than Toyota wheels. This means that the wheel is 'positioned' by the lugs alone. This works fine but you have to be careful about installing and tightening. Opinions differ on the need for hubcentric spacers but I have never had a problem myself. Also, they use the same lug nuts as the supras/OE AE86 'mag' ones.

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    so the 280z rims use shank washer lug nuts?? very cool... can somebody with these rims please measure the size of the hub hole on the rim?? i wanna know what size hub-centric adapter to use...
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    Quote Originally Posted by narfy
    so the 280z rims use shank washer lug nuts?? very cool... can somebody with these rims please measure the size of the hub hole on the rim?? i wanna know what size hub-centric adapter to use...
    Actually Narfy can you check if you can get the "big supras" into Regency??
    the part number is 42601-14041
    Of course get a DK price on it if you can...
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    Since this is gonna get cleaned up I don't know why I'm posting this, lol... but anyways...

    The 15" Supra wheels were offered on the 85 L-Type Supras, and since we only had L-Types in 82 here in Canada, we never got them, the 86 MK2 Supra was only available as a P-type model, so that left the 15" wheels off of it too.

    Hope that helps.

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    just a note... teh 15" wheels are 15x6 where as the canadian supras are 14x7...
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    15" Supras, eh? I wonder how and why it would only be in the States. Did they decide to go up one more inch, but then the idea never made up here to Canada before they stopped making them?
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    Did you read my post? LOL

    The MK2 had 2 variants, the P-Type and the L-Type, the L-Type was the Luxury model, the P-Type was the Performance model. The P-Type always had the 14x7 wheels, 82-86. The L-Type was made in 82-85, and had 13x5.5 wheels when it came out, then in 1985 it got the 15x6 wheels, made it look more luxurious I suppose, but it's obvious they weren't meant as a performance wheel, as they were only 6" wide, and the L-type didn't have the fender flares like the P-type did, so that's also a likely reason as to why the wheels were thinner.

    Here's why the Canada didn't get them: Canada got the L-Type in 1982, that was it, I guess it didn't sell well, but it wasn't carried through to the 1983 model, hence, we never got the updated wheel in 1985.

    Good enough?

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    lol yeah I read your post but was wondering the actual underlying reason. I wonder why 15 inchers wouldn't sell though. lol. I guess it changes with the times, eh?
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    A final word on those 15x6 Supra wheels...

    The offset was higher than the usual 14x7 Supra rim

    It could be that Toyota decided to go for the 15" wheel (almost unheard of at that time for North-American Imports) because the '83ish Datsun 280ZX Turbo came with 15x6 alloys (aka Swastika's, pictured above). The offset on those is probably very similar to that of the 15x6 Supra mags.

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    I swear I remembered seeing "baby" supras were different than the ones pictured above, and came on an earlier supra. 14x5.5 seems to come to mind, though I could be wrong. And I think it looked like this:

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    Those aren't baby Supra's, those are just MK I Supra's.

    Generally, when people talk about "Supra's", it's regarding MK II Supra/Celica GT-S alloys

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    I have also seen 15 inch snowflakes. They are actually on a smashed cresida at the pick a part in town. Unfortunatley we can't get the d side front off due to the damage on the car.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stuvy
    I have also seen 15 inch snowflakes. They are actually on a smashed cresida at the pick a part in town. Unfortunatley we can't get the d side front off due to the damage on the car.
    Think you could post pics? I really want to see them, if I like them, maybe I'll try and find a set, I would love 15" snowflakes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Lange
    Did you read my post? LOL

    The L-Type was made in 82-85, and had 13x5.5 wheels when it came out, then in 1985 it got the 15x6 wheels, made it look more luxurious I suppose, but it's obvious they weren't meant as a performance wheel, as they were only 6" wide, and the L-type didn't have the fender flares like the P-type did, so that's also a likely reason as to why the wheels were thinner.

    Here's why the Canada didn't get them: Canada got the L-Type in 1982, that was it, I guess it didn't sell well, but it wasn't carried through to the 1983 model, hence, we never got the updated wheel in 1985.

    Good enough?
    Almost, the early L-type wheels were 14x5.5 +27, and plain ugly.

    My 82 L-type:

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    the MKII Celica 14X5.5 rims were OE equipment on AE86s in 1983 model. As a slightly different pizza cutter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1985trueno
    the MKII Celica 14X5.5 rims were OE equipment on AE86s in 1983 model. As a slightly different pizza cutter.
    i don't think so. corolla's got L-type lookalikes that were 13" in size.

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    someone want a pizza cutter pic from 85 corolla gt-s? here you go.

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